Christians & Poliitics
So, as Christians are we ever more passionate about politics than we are about our faith? Do we talk more about politics than we do about Jesus Christ? Why? What does that say about us as Christians? Do we make other Christians feel guilty if they do not believe the same as we do politically? Should we make them feel guilty when Jesus was neither Democrat or Republican? Jesus wasn't about the earthly Kingdom, so shouldn't we be caught up more with things of the heavenly kingdom?
What do you think?
Share your thoughts.
posted by preacherman @ 6:46:00 PM
60 Comments:
If Christians do not choose the right political leaders, they maybe persecuted more. I know some Christians that will not vote, because the Bible tells them not to. Also, I believe Christians put too much of their religion into politics. Gov. Mike Huckabee is perfect example. Huckabee is a socialist and leftist, but the Christians haven't figured that out yet. Christians will have serious problems if Obama or Hillary become the leaders of the country. McCain may not be much better. But here is the funny part; Obama is a Christian and tons of Christians are voting for him. Check out his church. I am still wondering what the difference between the Black Value System and the Christian Value System? Can you tell me?
By the way, I am a Christian with my eyes open!
In my younger years I was advised (by whom I don't remember) that there are two subjects to avoid in polite company--religion and politics. By so avoiding you eschew all manner of conflict and keep your friendships intact.
Now, here you are giving us a two-fer sale on the lot. Great post, preacherman.
In response to the questions raised, I'd say yes Christians are more ready to discuss politics than Christ, and that's sad. I think that we ought to exercise our civic duty if for no other reason than to be good citizens.
I also believe that as followers of Christ our major focus must be on just that, following Him. In so doing I find it hard to say that one political party or the other is "right". In voting I look for the person who best represents what I have prayerfully determined is the best for the nation. As a Christ follower, that includes some convictions about issues that may not matter to the non-believer.
Yes, I think there are so many people who are more comfortable talking politics than Jesus.
I think Jesus would have been too radical and asked us to give up too much comfort, too many rights, and embrace too much community for many Christians to have voted for him.
Guess you felt like punching some buttons :)
I think that American Christians have definitely become enamored of politics, because we are convinced that this candidate or that candidate can deliver us from whatever ails us at the moment.
I pay attention to politics because I am a citizen and it is my civic duty. I talk about politics using my Christian lens so talking politics and talking Jesus is the same thing. Since everything I do is to glorify Him I cannot make these two topics mutually exclusive.
Now what I believe Spritiually and politically should not be exactly the same as what you believe because we each must study and show ourselves approved. My study my lead me one way and your study lead you another. We can share with each other what we have found and what we believe but it is up to us individually to make a determination based on our knowledge and beliefs. What we must agree on is that Jesus is the Christ and Him crucified.
I just want to add that I wish more Christians were politically active. What the post asked about spending more time or as much time talking about Christ as talking about politics - I don't know. I think your life here on earth is important. Politics is important. It's easy to just shake your head, wring your hands, and say to heck with it. Many people do this and don't even bother to vote.
Good, moral people with high integrity make good leaders for all the members of a community - even the non-religiious. That's why I wish more candidates were open, practicing Christians. We'd all be better off.
Way to bring it on, Preacherman!
It seems to me that whan the Israelite nation turned from God, He turned from them. Thus, we, as a nation, should be interested enough in politics to want our nation to follow God. It is our duty to pay attention and pray, so that when we pull that lever or punch that card or whatever we do to vote, we are trying to have our country follow the precepts given to us by our maker.
Does it always work? I don't know. But I do know that whoever becomes our leader could not do so without God allowing it. (Of course, if we don't care then He might just send us a message through whom He allows to lead us.)
But, to answer your question, we should be spending way more time on talking about Christ, then, maybe our hearts would lead us to doing the right thing.
Love you all.
Yes, I believe Christians on both the religious right and left can put way too much stock in our American political system. Politics and what we do has its place, I believe. But the kingdom of God in Jesus, not from this world, but in this world to impact it, is beyond any political party or politician. And we need to really believe that. Then I think we'd actually influence politics more. And persecution is not something we should wish for, but didn't Jesus and the disciples and the early church endure persecution?
Not an easy subject, and we as Christians need to disagree agreeably on this, and keep first things first. Not as cut and dried as some on both sides make it out to be.
Just a few of my rambling thoughts on this.
Thanks, Kinney.
Tony,
Thank you for adding your thoughts on this topic. I don't know much about Huckabee or Obama's church. I will look into both though. Thank you for letting us know about it.
Benjie,
I also think it is sad that Christians are will to talk more about politics than Jesus. I hope we will have the desire to talk about the real hope that we have and other can have through Christ and His Church.
Arlene,
Thank you so much for commenting. I always appreciate your comments and thoughts. I agree Jesus would have been to radical. Great point!
Odgie,
I love punching the buttons. That is what I love doing on my blog to get real discussion going. :-)
I agree we are putting our hope in a canidate to bring us hope and change. Will it happen? Or is always empty promises? "Read my lips no new taxes." :-)
bikegirl2,
Thank you for stopping by and adding your thoughts to my blog. You are always welcome. I also feel like it is our civic duty to vote. We need to vote according to our conciences. Who we believe would best represent what we stand for and believe. I agree that we enter th voting both as Christians because we are called to be Christians in all we do to bring glory to God. Excellent point!
lyn,
Thank you for visiting my blog and commenting on this topic. I apprecaite your opinions. Great thoughts on this subject.
Keith,
Great thoughts brother.
I appreciate you sharing the importance of prayer. We need to pray that God will lead us to vote for the right person and that those in authority will do His will as well. Thank you for making that wonderful point.
Preacherman,
I am glad you did this post. I am a Christian and a democrat. I feel like I am judged for my political beliefs. I feel like I am doing the right thing and what is best for me and my family and country. I pray that Christians will be less judgemental when it comes to politics.
-David
David,
Thank you for sharing how you feel with us. I pray that we will understand that there are godly men and women who are democrat, republican and independant. We must remember that Jesus was non of these.
I appreciate you addressing this topic. I think Christians need to be more passionate about their faith. We as Christians need to be telling people our testimony. Forget politics. Government and the earthly Kingdom isn't what Jesus was about. He was about doing his fathers will and meeting peoples needs and changing lives. We need to be doing what He did. Yes, "Give to Ceasar what is Ceasars and God what is God's." As far as anything else. Lets be about our fathers business.
Ted,
I want to thank you for sharing your thoughts too brother. I am sorry I left you out when address the others. I agree the way we vote could effect if our culture is going to go farther from God and lead to Christian persucution.
Great point. Jesus tells us that the if we are truely disciples the world will hate us. If that is the case, then we put our hope in Christ and encourage one another daily as we continue to be disciples of Jesus Christ. Ted thanks again brotehr. I appreciate it.
Politics, if engaged in properly, may be used as a means of loving our neighbors.
Terry,
Wonderful point brother!
Thank you for pointing that out to us. I agree.
It's easier for me to talk about politics ... don't know why! Good post!
Preacherman,
Thanks for the post. I do question it a bit. You are assuming some Christians are actually talking about Jesus out in the market place. One problem we have never had is people talking too much about Jesus.
If a candidate represents positions and values opposite to what I find in the Bible, I am obligated my my own value system to speak out.
Huckabee is a Southern Baptist. My problem with him is not his faith but his liberal leaning political history.
Obama is a member of the extremely liberal United Church of Christ. After some research, in my view his church is mostly Christian only in name. There may be some Christians there, including Obama, but if you read statements by Obama's pastor and transcripts of his sermons The "Christian" part of the message is curiously missing.
His peace,
Royce Ogle
David,
Thanks for your comments.
I agree that that is true for a lot of Christians. You are not alone. So don't feel bad.
Royce,
My question is do we talk or feel more comfortable talking about politics than sharing are faith in Jesus with others. Do we have more passion about politics than we do about Church and following Jesus? I believe we should share our faith in the market place. We should share our faith with friends, family, co-workers, neighbors, strangers, those who come to our Churches seeking help. I agree with your comments about Huckabee and Obama. I will have to look into their churches to see if they fit into my value system. It is very interesting thought and I greatly appreciate you pointing that out to us all. I believe we as Christians need to look into the canidates to see what they believe and stand for on the issues that are important to us. Does that mean that things will Change just because they are Christians? No. Does that mean that Roe vs. Wade will be over turned because they are Christians? No. George Bush is a Christian and Roe vs. Wade is still law. Abortions are still being done. I don't know that if the canidate is a Christian that it means that the issues that we hold dear as Christians will be overturned, change and made into law. What may be important to us morally may not be important to the canidate or the congress which is empower. I pray that we will pray and really meditate on how we should vote. I think that is important to have God's guidance. I think it is also important to think of your children and grandchildren's future when voting as well.
How many of you think about your children and grandchildren when voting?
Royce again thank you so much for opinions and comments. I appreciate you adding to this discussion. It means so much brother. I cherish our friendship and your wisdom.
Jesus transcends politics. It's His kingdow I'm passionate about. For better or worse I'm nearly oblivious to national politics. We don't change world by the person we vote for. We change the world by the King we live for.
Ben,
Amen.
Thank you adding to the discussion. I totally agree with your statement.
Preacherman-
Passionate is Passionate.
Real passion transcends the physical and spiritual.
To "care about spiritual things and Jesus" but not "care about the world around you" is almost [I SAID ALMOST] against the nature of God. For God so loved their spiritual attitudes He came to the world in spirit only.... I don't think so.
There are a number of books you can read about good Christian Germans and the leadership of the Catholic Church who where supposedly oblivious to Auschwitz et.al. in THEIR spiritual service to God.
And people who avoid religion and politics are people who you would probably never meet or for sure HEAR FROM. ;)
IMO
Great post Preacherman.
I believe that we should vote on how we feel about the issues that are most important to us. Thank you for talking about this subject. I find that most of my Christian friends don't vote because they don't think it will make a difference. I think that it is important though. So I am going to vote.
After 25+ years of voting with the evangelical right-wing I have become cynical.. politicians play on our sincere faith-based values and really don't identify with us.. I will be surprised if the supreme court ever does anything with Roe v Wade.
Sorry to be so negative.. I so agree with you about our focus being the Kingdom and not the Republic.
Kinney,
You asked if we thought of our children and grand children when we vote. That is one of my central thoughts, though, I try to put what is best for our country as a whole before all else. So many people that I know tend to lean toward the person that is going to do the most for them, personally. That is why I have a big problem with special interest groups. They mainly are concerned with their little part of the world, instead of the world as a whole.
I guess that I just went on a little too long. Sorry.
Keith
I am still trying to figure out how involved God wants me to be in the political process. On one hand, I think that political involvement can be positive as it can shine a light on, and facilitate change on issues that I feel are important to my faith. For example, the poor, I am interested in finding out what candidates want to do to help those in need. This is just one example of an issue where I can see that political power could be used for good. On the other hand, I am wary of “hiding” behind religious politics. I believe it can lead to apathy when it comes to discipleship. It is much easier for me to express my “passion” for these issues at the voting booth, than it is for me to go out into my community and help to bring about change. If I am so concerned about the morality of the world, then why am I not more involved in my neighborhood and community? If I am so passionate about this country being Christian, then why am I not sharing the Good News every chance I get? Why am I not actively seeking relationships with the people that I am so “concerned” about? It’s much easier for me to put on the “I JUST VOTED” sticker than it is to put on Christ! Politics are not the answer to the changes that the world needs. You can’t legislate people to change their hearts and lives and live out God’s plan. So many of the issues that we want the government to stand for, really just appease the spiritual conscious, but I think that God wants me to be invested and involved on a more personal and spiritual level. I don’t know all of the folks running for office,or their platforms, but I do know my neighbors, I do know the ministries in my community that could use a hand. Do I just care about the issues, or do I care about the people that the issues affect? Finally, can I do both? I don’t know, but I feel like I should start with my passion for Christ, that is the path I am certain of, maybe the political path will become clearer as I live out the first.
A.W.
You make a great point.
Thank you so much for sharing your opinion.
Anonymous,
I am glad you are going to vote.
I believe it is important for every American to vote.
Kansas Bob,
I think you thought on this subject is great. I totally agree that Jesus was about the Kingdom and not a republic.
Keith,
I believe that is part of the "I" and "me" generation that is prevelent in our culture. It is media driven and effects everything our churches to politics.
Cheryl,
Thank you so much for stopping by my blog and sharing your thoughts on this topic. You have alot of great things to add to the discussion. I want you to know you are welcome anytime. I believe that every politician isn't going to believe everything we do about every issue. Great thoughts and comments. God bless you. I appreciate you joining in this discussion.
Preacherman,
I am 18 am going to be voting for my first time. I am so excited about it. I have even volunteered to work at the democratic headquarters on my own time. As a young black women I am going to vote for Obama. I think he would make a better leader and president than Clinton. My parents have encouraged me to make up my own mind and decide for myself. I am so glad I have parents that understand the political process. I also want to thank you for you making democrats feel okay to vote that way.
Stacie
Stacie,
I remember when I was remember helping my girlfriend who is now my wife, working for the Clinton Campaign at the democratic headquarters in Abilene. It was so exciting seeing him win that night back in 1994. I can totally understand your excitement. It is so important who ever we vote for that we do vote. I believe if we don't vote we have no right to complain.
Thanks preacherman :-).
Stacie
Not too many years ago my libertarianism got the best of me. A lot of it came from being in Brazil and seeing the centralist, collectivist and positivist lies controlling everyone's way of thinking. At that time I had little concept of the Gospel as the message that Jesus is Lord and virtually no preparation for dealing with the so-called "powers" that Jesus exposed and overcame through his cross. So I turned to my libertarianism and became so hard-core that, in retrospect, I realize I became little use to the reign of God.
I agree that there is no party that has a conner on God. I think you will find corrupt politicians in every political party.
Steve
This is one of the hottest issues and studying the history of the movement shows the wide range of opinions that have taken place. I guess for me it is more of a side hobby than a major faith action. I could be wrong, but that is where I am at.
I can't wait to cast my vote tomorrow and watch the polls and see who wins. It is exciting. Thank you Preacherman for the post. I do think our Christianity effects the way we vote. I believe in hope, kindness, love, hospitality, the evniornment. I think Jesus would and did care about those things too.
Sharon
Kinney - Politics? What's that? Now "let me talk about Jesus" -- that's something worthwhile.
How I wish that were my reaction and that of all Christians -- actually in my case I'm kind of caught by the popular saying there are 3 things you should never discuss in polite company "politics, religion and your health".
But I'm getting more an more to see that as I Christian I can't avoid "showing Jesus" in my life and that often leads to talkingabout what he has done for me.
Thanks for coming by and learning its "s'no fun" in snow country if you aren't into "snowfun"
God Bless
Charlie
Charlie,
I want to thank you for your thoughts on this topic. I appreciate your wisdom and advice. I enjoy your snow because we haven't had any this year and doesn't look like we are going to have any at all. The peach tree in our backyard is in bloom and I have a gut feeling that it is going to freeze before to long though.
I want to thank you brother for the blessing you have been in my life and the encouragement you and your blog has given me. I always apprecaite what you have to say.
I feel judge by other Christians because of my political beliefs. I think that is so wrong. I wish Christians could just forget about it, move on and let me vote for who I want to vote for tomorrow.
Matthew,
I want to thank you so much for your comments and adding to this important discussion. I always appreciate your thoughts. You have a lot of wisdom for you age and knowledge of Scripture as well. I am glad that politics isn't something that runs our lives but is a hoby or something we do one the side. Thank you for pointing that out to brothers and sisters and those participating in this discussion. Thank you Matthew for stressing that Jesus should be the most important thing in our lives. Amen and Amen to that brother. God bless.
Adam thank you so much for sharing your story brother. It means so much to us all.
thank you for visiting my blog and for your prayers....
I enjoyed reading through this post and many of the comments...
God bless
donna
1. as Christians are we ever more passionate about politics than we are about our faith?
some are.
2. Do we talk more about politics than we do about Jesus Christ?
some do.
3. Why?
lots of reasons.
4. What does that say about us as Christians?
probably that we talk the talk better than we walk the walk.
hot air.
5. Do we make other Christians feel guilty if they do not believe the same as we do politically?
some do that. politically and many other reasons as well.
6. Should we make them feel guilty when Jesus was neither Democrat or Republican?
it is not our job to try and make someone feel guilty. that is the job of the Holy Spirit. our job is to Love God and Love one another.
7. Jesus wasn't about the earthly Kingdom, so shouldn't we be caught up more with things of the heavenly kingdom?
the question could be do we really believe?
"Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment.
And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
note:
NO... WHAT IF, AND, BUT, WHY, HOWEVER, NEED OF UNDERSTANDING, EXCEPTIONS, WHATEVERS.....or reasons of disagreements because of political partys...
or any other reason for that matter.
Thanks for stopping by my blog. How did you find it?
Here are my thoughts on your post...
I think many of us find it easy to decry abortion rather than get personally involved in helping a pregnant woman find an adoptive home for an "unwanted" child. In much the same way, it is easier to wave a red or blue banner than to personally live out the higher calling of being salt and light in the world.
Thanks for stopping by. I will make your blog a regular place to visit from time to time. Nice job.
~Kevin
Once a very wise preacher said "Don't tell me I can't and I will not tell you that you must".
I believe that principal applies here. If you are comfortable speaking out about politics or any other subject and are able to do it without offending others then do it. If you are uncomfortable speaking out about politics then remain silent. If what others say bothers you then don't listen.
What would Jesus do? Well, first He likely would not wear a plastic bracelet or have a bumper sticker announcing his faith. Would he vote if He lived among us today in flesh? I think He would. Is voting any less a civic duty than paying taxes? Jesus for sure spoke in favor of paying taxes.
The Bible teaches that God sets up rulers and takes them down. With that in mind I don't hesitate to be involved in the process.
If Christ lives in me and the Holy Spirit is at work to conform me to His likeness, shouldn't my life, and my votes reflect that reality?
No human government, political party, or candidate is flawless. One person or a combination of persons is still human flesh and the natural proclivity to go against God is present. So, when we go to the polls in every case I can think of, we vote for the best choice, or the lesser of "two evils" as it has been commanly put.
Who is more likey to nominate better Supreme Court justices? Who is likely to be the best commander in chief? And, who is likely to best protect our freedoms and respect the U.S. Constitution?
See, it isn't hard now is it?
Respectfully,
Royce Ogle
I think that post would leave a big impact to some christians because we usually get caught up in politics
My two favorite subjects, not sure how well they mix, but I love to talk about both. However, Jesus is the love of my life. Politics probably causes me to fall into sin, because I am a little passionate about it. I guess if your trying to influence people for Christ that avoidance of the politics discussion would be a good thing. I will try to keep that in mind next time my views start rolling out of my mouth.
Donna,
Thank you for you comments it means so much to me.
I hope you have a blessed week.
Nancy,
Excellent points as always.
Thank you for sharing them with us all on this important primary day.
Kevin,
God lead me to your blog.
It is a wonderful blog brother.
You post was so uplifting and encouraging and what I needed to hear today. I want you to know I will be visiting your blog regularly. I want to thank you for your comments on this issue. It is so important and helps people decide on who to vote for brother.
Thank you. I hope you have a wonderful week as you seek to do God's will for your life. You are always welcome on this blog to give any comments you would like.
Royce,
You know that I always appreciate your thoughts and opinion. You are such a wonderful friend and mentor. You make excellent points for us all today. Today is so important for us who live in Texas. I pray that each of us make the right decission for our country. Thank you so much for all you do. I also hope you have a blessed day and week as you do the will of God. I know today as I cast my vote will be praying and seek God's guidance when I enter the voting booth.
Jale,
Wonderful thoughtss and points brother. I want you to know you are also welcome to comment and add to any discussion on this bog. You are so right. I appreciate you leaving these wonderful comments on a day in which we need to pray about our countr, children and God's will for our lives. I hope you brother have an excellent week in Jesus Christ. May all of his riches fall on you in ways you have never known.
Debbie,
Thank you for taking the time and commenting on my blog. It means so much to me. I appreciate your opinion on this issue. Thank you so much for sharing your testimony with us all. We are all encouraged and strengthened by what you have shared. I pray that God will strengthen you and give you the guidance you need when voting.
I am a democrat because it seems like they believe in and hold to the ideals of Jesus Christ.
I not much on politics ,and don't talk much about it, I vote for who I think would be best to do the job,
Jel,
I think you believe like most American's do. There is no perfect formula on which is the best way to go about voting. I think your way is the best. I vote on who I think can do the best job and then come time round; I vote for them. I do think we need becaus scritpure tells us that we should pray for our leaders and those in authority. I also think this would apply those running for president.
Jel, I want thank you so much for being the source of encouragement you are to me and my life. I appreciate it so very much and don't tell you enough. Keep it up. Keep up the great blogging too. You inspire many.
Last nigh when I went over to the Caucus I was voted to be the chairman. I had so much fun doing the Texas Two Step. I have never done it before but it was so much fun. Hillary won ours.
It looks like Hillary might be the next president of the United States.
Anonymous,
It is still extremely early I wouldn't rule out Obama. So don't jump the gun to soon and say she is going to get it or your canidate is going to get it. It is still way to early to early to tell. Obama still leads in delegates. I do apprecaite your opinion though.
I as you new convert strive to see the views that each party holds and you are so right Preacherman; no party has a corner on God or even Jesus Christ himself. I look at the issues such as compassion, love, kindness, taking care of the poor and I don't understand how you can't help but vote democrat. The things that we are passionate about in our Christian life, things that make our friends and family think about becoming Christians is the way Jesus lived his life. He showed compassion to the poor, kindness who needed it, help, and hope. While I don't believe that Jesus would be other republican or democrat; I do see alot of Christian values in the democratic party. Yes those Republican's argue with me about abortion. I have to think about the situation. Was the woman raped? Was it a case of incest? Is there going to be a medical condition that cause the mother to loose her own life if she has' the child. Even debate over when a baby is a baby. Is it when it takes it's first gasp of air? I believe there are many democrats and republicans and independants who are pro-choice. It is a woman's right to choose. We must understand that Roe vs. Wade will never be overturned. Just because we vote for a republican president doesn't mean that things that he believe about faith and Christianity is going to effect his policies we have see that with President Bush when he has to have human rights questioned and the Geniva Convention redefined. Our country use to be a fighter in human rights; a nation that stood as a shinning example of what human rights was and needs to be but now we have lost it. We have lost how other countries view our nation. I believe these are things we must consider when we vote in November. I as several; many of your bloggers have mentioned I believe that we need to pray to God for making the right discission and God to help the leaders both men and women of our country. I hope we won't read and take for truth every piece of e-mail that comes our way but really look into the canidates. Thank you Preacherman for this post and topic. Preacherman I don't know how you voted but I know that it is something between me and my God.
Fred
Politics killed Jesus, and the politicians this year are killing me too.
I just wish Chuck Norris was running.
Great post preacherman,
Personally I do tend to talk more about politics than I do Christianity. For 1) while I am a long way from figuring out the answers to Christianity, I feel that many of my questions in life relate to politics. 2) I'm okay with being wrong in politics, I hate to say the wrong things when it comes to spiritual truth.
Nevertheless, your point is a very valid one, because I find myself being more passionate about politics than I am about Christianity, which is wrong.
Josh,
Thanks for you comments.
I always appreciate your advice and imput all the topics that you add to the discussion on brother.
Chance,
You make wonderful points. I appreciate you adding to this discussion. It means so much brother. I always like what you have to say. I means so very much to the dialogue.
For sometime I've been trying to put together thoughts on these questions myself. One of the things about this discussion that I face with many people, and that bothers me most, is that they equate Christianity with being an American. I know it's not there intention but still, I think that kind of talk causes them subconsciously to convince them that being a good American and voting means they are being a good Christian. I don't think I have to explain what's wrong with that thinking.
Also, I heard a professor at Lubbock discuss a response to an article on why Christians should vote. He ended it by saying "I voted when I was baptized."
That statement has stuck with me. Christ is much more than any political system and our vote for a candidate should have less impact on our surroundings than our daily walk with God.
One final thought and I'm done. I also, don't like how the political structure of democracy has seeped into churches. Since when does choosing an elder, deacon, minister, etc... something that should be done by a majority rules? Rather than democrat vs republican it has become liberal vs conservative...it's still left vs. right.
I say all this because I am afraid the subject of "Christians & Politics" falls too close to the same category these days.
Ben,
Thanks for you thoughts and adding to the discussion. I always appreciate your opinion. You are full of knowledge.
Chance,
Great thoughts brother. I want to thank you for sharing them with us all. Brother you are always welcome here!
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