What is faith? Why is faith so important? Do you believe that faith in God is importnat? Why or why not? What does faith do? Does it play a part in salvation? If so, what? Why do you believe?
When I think about faith I think about the word relationship. People in the bible like Abraham and David seem to have embraced a faith that was rooted in their relationship with God.. not sure if any other kind of faith is really faith at all.
Ac 15:9 purifying their hearts by faith Ac 26:18 sanctified by faith Ro 1:17 live by faith. Ro 3:28 justified by faith Ro 5:1 justified by faith Ro 5:2 access by faith Ro 11:20 stand by faith 2Co 1:24 by faith ye stand 2Co 5:7 walk by faith Ga 3:11 live by faith Ga 3:24 justified by faith Ga 3:26 children of God by faith Ga 5:5 the hope of righteousness by faith Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith Php 3:9 righteousness which is of God by faith Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated Heb 11:7 By faith Noah ... prepared an ark Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham ... went out, not knowing whither he went. Heb 11:9 By faith he (Abraham) sojourned in the land of promise Heb 11:11 Through faith ... Sara herself received strength to conceive seed Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham ...offered up Isaac Heb 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. Heb 11:21 By faith Joseph ... gave commandment concerning his bones. Heb 11:24 By faith Moses ... refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter Heb 11:27 By faith he (Abraham) forsook Egypt Heb 11:29 By faith they passed through the Red sea Heb 11:30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down
The Faith
Ac 6:7 obedient to the faith. Ac 14:22 continue in the faith Ac 16:5 established in the faith Ac 24:24 concerning the faith Ro 1:5 obedience to the faith Ro 4:11 righteousness of the faith 1Co 16:13 stand fast in the faith 2Co 13:5 be in the faith Ga 1:23 now preacheth the faith Eph 4:13 unity of the faith Col 1:23 continue in the faith Col 2:7 stablished in the faith 1Ti 1:2 my own son in the faith 1Ti 3:9 mystery of the faith 1Ti 3:13 great boldness in the faith 2Ti 4:7 I have kept the faith Tit 1:13 be sound in the faith Tit 3:15 Greet them that love us in the faith 1Pe 5:9 stedfast in the faith Jude 1:3 contend for the faith
Of Faith
Ac 6:5 full of faith Ac 6:8 full of faith and power Ac 14:27 door of faith Ro 3:27 law of faith Ro 4:13 righteousness of faith Ro 9:30 righteousness which is of faith Ro 10:8 word of faith Ro 12:3 measure of faith Ro 12:6 proportion of faith Ro 16:26 obedience of faith 2Co 4:13 spirit of faith Ga 3:2 hearing of faith Ga 3:5 hearing of faith Ga 3:7 they which are of faith Ga 3:9 they which be of faith Ga 6:10 household of faith Eph 6:16 shield of faith Php 1:25 joy of faith 1Th 1:3 work of faith 1Th 5:8 breastplate of faith 2Th 1:11 work of faith 1Ti 4:6 words of faith 1Ti 6:12 fight of faith Heb 10:22 assurance of faith Jas 5:15 prayer of faith
Kansas Bob, Thanks you so much brother for your thoughts and comments! I appreciate your thoughts on topic. I have many, many questions reguarding faith. I do believe that plays apart in salvation and maintaining a "true relationship" with God. I think of these men as well. Thank you for your friendship. I appreciate all you do for the Kingdom of God. You have played a huge part in my faith!
A. Amos, Thank you so very much for your thoughts on this topic. Thank you so very much on all the many, many scriptures on this topic. I greatly appreciate it!
Preacherman; I must admit that you ask your questions wisely, not giving away your own point of view on faith. Sometimes every Preacher-man must by FAITH put his head on the chopping block, so that he might die daily.:-) OK, then I put my head on the block.
Without faith it is impossible to please God! (Heb.11:6) In fact, whatsoever is not of faith is sin! (Rom. 14:23) And all of us who are justified, we will live by faith. (Rom. 1:17)
Faith pertaining to salvation; It depends on whether you think that faith is before salvation or after. If you think that faith is before salvation, then (Eph. 2:8) would need to say that you are saved by faith through grace, but it is said the other way around, that you are saved by GRACE through faith. The second part is very important, it is the explanation of the first part "and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast."
Here you can see that faith is NOT before salvation. If it would be then we could boast and say to those who are not saved; 'If you would have put your faith in Jesus like me, then you would also be saved'.
Again, if you put faith before salvation, then it is by works and not by grace. Faith is merited and grace is unmerited. Salvation is by grace unmerited.
I don't think that anyone of us would sing a Hymn like; 'Amazing FAITH that saved a smart fellow like me'.:-)
cwinwc: I'm not sure whether I rightly understand your comment.
All Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims and Buddhists etc. are able to read A. Amos Love's comment. But I seriously question whether they understand those quotes. In fact they don't understand, otherwise they would believe and have faith in Jesus.
But as to us who believe, by faith we UNDERSTAND. (Hebr. 11:13) Sometimes that too might be questionable :-)
Sadly the Lord Jesus said, "When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?" (Luke 18:8)
Kinney, I think faith is vital to life. We were created for worship and for relationship. That happens best within the context of faith.
The thing that I have experienced is that faith and doubt are travelling partners, or at least in my life. I struggle if they do not walk hand in hand. My doubts, enrich my faith and increasing faith leads to more doubt...
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Paul G. said "It depends on whether you think that faith is before salvation or after."
Paul can you name one instance within the pages of the bible where a person was saved before he had faith in his savior.
Was Noah saved without faith? Was Danial saved,from the lions, without faith.? Were, the three within the fiery furnace, saved without faith? I could go on but expect you already know of more instances where faith came first, just as it does with our salvation today.
1Pt:1:7: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
I know why (saved by grace only) folks never quote this passage, because it flies in the face of what they teach.
The conversation is already underway. I see Paul's answer as the best attempt to give an answer. Kansas Bob is giving some wisdom to us when he says, he does not know if 'any other kind of faith is faith'. I can't give you any more on that than being long winded at an attempt to give a different, more clever answer.
laymond; There are many types of salvation. Saved from disaster, from sin, from the wrath of God etc. but I think you mean 'saved unto life (eternal life).' If faith is required for that, then we who are saved would really have something to boast about. Worst of all, grace is no longer grace since grace is the absence of works.
Let's take John the Baptist; he was saved (unto eternal life) while he was still in the womb of Elizabeth before he could believe and put any faith in Jesus.
Or Paul; he did not have, or put any faith in Jesus, on the contrary, he persecuted the believers till the Lord Jesus struck him from his high horse of unbelief and saved him by His amazing grace.
Noah, Daniel and all the Saints, they all had the life of God (or salvation if you like) in them before they performed by faith mighty deeds. Noah, by faith built an Ark so that he would not perish with the rest. Daniel also was saved before he trusted in Jesus and by faith believed that the Lord would close the mouth of those hungry lions.
laymond; What about you and me, can we believe by faith that the Lord Jesus would save us from any sickness, diseases, accidents and calamities etc.? Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God!
Why is it that professing Christians suffer the same consequences like unbelievers and pagans?
Well, that was not so with the man of faith! Regards Paul
There are many Scripture verses about faith, we wish that they were not there, or perhaps we would like to sweep them under the carpet, so to speak, or even try to intellectually explain them away.
If we believe that the Bible is the Word of God and that it cannot be broken, then what do you think about the challenge from the Lord Jesus. Mark 11:22-23) "Have faith in God. I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain,'Go throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him."
To those who celebrate the birth of our wonderful Lord and savior Jesus Christ, I wish you a merry Christmas. Lots of love Paul
Faith is the human response to God's grace in Christ. And faith is not just passive, but active. It essentially sets us on a new course, in following Jesus.
A Blessed and Merry Christmas to you and yours, Kinney!!!
laymond; Well brother, I thought that you might give me an 'AMEN'. :-)
But since you did not! I will give you an 'AMEN' to your comment above. And a short question; Which one of the two do you prefer?
cwinwc; I know that you mean no offence. Also, I welcome every opposing comment or idea, so that I or we would expand and increase in the knowledge of God, His Word and faith.
Ted M. Gossard; I'm sure you could have expanded your comment a little bit more, so that I or we would have something to chew and digest with our Christmas cake. :-) Merry Christmas Paul
I apprecaite everyone's thought and comments on this subject. I think that there are many phases of faith. I think many believers confuse faith with always being solid, strong, undoubting, certain. Is that true faith? Do you think Abraham stratch his head when God said to leave his home, sacrifice his son, etc? Did Moses doubt God even after being in his presence on the Mountain? What about David, or the disciples of Jesus, Paul even? I think we need to understand that there are going to be times of question, stuggle, doubt. I know there are times in my life where I struggle, doubt, and even times when faith is hanging on by a thread. Yet faith that is hanging on by a thread is still faith, is it not?
I like your last comment Kinney. It reminds me that Cal Thomas said"doubt is not the same as disbelief" when he was reflecting on the doubts of Mother Teresa.
When I think about faith I think about the word relationship. People in the bible like Abraham and David seem to have embraced a faith that was rooted in their relationship with God.. not sure if any other kind of faith is really faith at all.
ReplyDeleteFaith - a favorite and huge topic.
ReplyDeleteHere are some of the ways FAITH is recorded.
Hope you enjoy them.
F.A.I.T.H.
Forsaking All I Trust Him
By Faith
Ac 15:9 purifying their hearts by faith
Ac 26:18 sanctified by faith
Ro 1:17 live by faith.
Ro 3:28 justified by faith
Ro 5:1 justified by faith
Ro 5:2 access by faith
Ro 11:20 stand by faith
2Co 1:24 by faith ye stand
2Co 5:7 walk by faith
Ga 3:11 live by faith
Ga 3:24 justified by faith
Ga 3:26 children of God by faith
Ga 5:5 the hope of righteousness by faith
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts
by faith
Php 3:9 righteousness which is of God by faith
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God
Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated
Heb 11:7 By faith Noah ... prepared an ark
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham ... went out,
not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he (Abraham)
sojourned in the land of promise
Heb 11:11 Through faith ... Sara herself received strength to conceive seed
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith,
not having received the promises
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham ...offered up Isaac
Heb 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
Heb 11:21 By faith Joseph ... gave commandment concerning his bones.
Heb 11:24 By faith Moses ... refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter
Heb 11:27 By faith he (Abraham) forsook Egypt
Heb 11:29 By faith
they passed through the Red sea
Heb 11:30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down
The Faith
Ac 6:7 obedient to the faith.
Ac 14:22 continue in the faith
Ac 16:5 established in the faith
Ac 24:24 concerning the faith
Ro 1:5 obedience to the faith
Ro 4:11 righteousness of the faith
1Co 16:13 stand fast in the faith
2Co 13:5 be in the faith
Ga 1:23 now preacheth the faith
Eph 4:13 unity of the faith
Col 1:23 continue in the faith
Col 2:7 stablished in the faith
1Ti 1:2 my own son in the faith
1Ti 3:9 mystery of the faith
1Ti 3:13 great boldness in the faith
2Ti 4:7 I have kept the faith
Tit 1:13 be sound in the faith
Tit 3:15 Greet them that love us in the faith
1Pe 5:9 stedfast in the faith
Jude 1:3 contend for the faith
Of Faith
Ac 6:5 full of faith
Ac 6:8 full of faith and power
Ac 14:27 door of faith
Ro 3:27 law of faith
Ro 4:13 righteousness of faith
Ro 9:30 righteousness which is of faith
Ro 10:8 word of faith
Ro 12:3 measure of faith
Ro 12:6 proportion of faith
Ro 16:26 obedience of faith
2Co 4:13 spirit of faith
Ga 3:2 hearing of faith
Ga 3:5 hearing of faith
Ga 3:7 they which are of faith
Ga 3:9 they which be of faith
Ga 6:10 household of faith
Eph 6:16 shield of faith
Php 1:25 joy of faith
1Th 1:3 work of faith
1Th 5:8 breastplate of faith
2Th 1:11 work of faith
1Ti 4:6 words of faith
1Ti 6:12 fight of faith
Heb 10:22 assurance of faith
Jas 5:15 prayer of faith
Kansas Bob,
ReplyDeleteThanks you so much brother for your thoughts and comments! I appreciate your thoughts on topic. I have many, many questions reguarding faith. I do believe that plays apart in salvation and maintaining a "true relationship" with God. I think of these men as well. Thank you for your friendship. I appreciate all you do for the Kingdom of God. You have played a huge part in my faith!
A. Amos,
ReplyDeleteThank you so very much for your thoughts on this topic. Thank you so very much on all the many, many scriptures on this topic. I greatly appreciate it!
Preacherman;
ReplyDeleteI must admit that you ask your questions wisely, not giving away your own point of view on faith.
Sometimes every Preacher-man must by FAITH put his head on the chopping block, so that he might die daily.:-)
OK, then I put my head on the block.
Without faith it is impossible to please God! (Heb.11:6)
In fact, whatsoever is not of faith is sin! (Rom. 14:23)
And all of us who are justified, we will live by faith. (Rom. 1:17)
Faith pertaining to salvation;
It depends on whether you think that faith is before salvation or after.
If you think that faith is before salvation, then (Eph. 2:8) would need to say that you are saved by faith through grace, but it is said the other way around, that you are saved by GRACE through faith.
The second part is very important, it is the explanation of the first part "and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast."
Here you can see that faith is NOT before salvation.
If it would be then we could boast and say to those who are not saved;
'If you would have put your faith in Jesus like me, then you would also be saved'.
Again, if you put faith before salvation, then it is by works and not by grace.
Faith is merited and grace is unmerited.
Salvation is by grace unmerited.
I don't think that anyone of us would sing a Hymn like; 'Amazing FAITH that saved a smart fellow like me'.:-)
Paul
I think "faith" is being able to read all of A. Amos Love's comment. :)
ReplyDeletecwinwc:
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure whether I rightly understand your comment.
All Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims and Buddhists etc. are able to read A. Amos Love's comment.
But I seriously question whether they understand those quotes.
In fact they don't understand, otherwise they would believe and have faith in Jesus.
But as to us who believe, by faith we UNDERSTAND. (Hebr. 11:13)
Sometimes that too might be questionable :-)
Sadly the Lord Jesus said, "When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?" (Luke 18:8)
Paul
Kinney, I think faith is vital to life. We were created for worship and for relationship. That happens best within the context of faith.
ReplyDeleteThe thing that I have experienced is that faith and doubt are travelling partners, or at least in my life. I struggle if they do not walk hand in hand. My doubts, enrich my faith and increasing faith leads to more doubt...
Blessings on you all for the holidays.
Hey Kinney, It's me, Jim. Hope you have been getting better. What took me so long?
ReplyDeleteI just figured out a way for me to keep up with my former blogging pals and promote your blog. I am permitted to post the same content on Blogspot as I will at Richmond Evangelical Examiner. So, I have created a Richmond Evangelical Examiner blog, in Blogspot. Your link is already on my page. Just use this url to add my link to your side bar and we can begin exchanging traffic again and staying in touch.
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Paul G. said "It depends on whether you think that faith is before salvation or after."
ReplyDeletePaul can you name one instance within the pages of the bible where a person was saved before he had faith in his savior.
Was Noah saved without faith?
Was Danial saved,from the lions, without faith.?
Were, the three within the fiery furnace, saved without faith?
I could go on but expect you already know of more instances where faith came first, just as it does with our salvation today.
1Pt:1:7: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
ReplyDeleteI know why (saved by grace only) folks never quote this passage, because it flies in the face of what they teach.
The conversation is already underway. I see Paul's answer as the best attempt to give an answer. Kansas Bob is giving some wisdom to us when he says, he does not know if 'any other kind of faith is faith'.
ReplyDeleteI can't give you any more on that than being long winded at an attempt to give a different, more clever answer.
laymond;
ReplyDeleteThere are many types of salvation.
Saved from disaster, from sin, from the wrath of God etc. but I think you mean 'saved unto life (eternal life).'
If faith is required for that, then we who are saved would really have something to boast about. Worst of all, grace is no longer grace since grace is the absence of works.
Let's take John the Baptist; he was saved (unto eternal life) while he was still in the womb of Elizabeth before he could believe and put any faith in Jesus.
Or Paul; he did not have, or put any faith in Jesus, on the contrary, he persecuted the believers till the Lord Jesus struck him from his high horse of unbelief and saved him by His amazing grace.
Noah, Daniel and all the Saints, they all had the life of God (or salvation if you like) in them before they performed by faith mighty deeds.
Noah, by faith built an Ark so that he would not perish with the rest.
Daniel also was saved before he trusted in Jesus and by faith believed that the Lord would close the mouth of those hungry lions.
laymond; What about you and me, can we believe by faith that the Lord Jesus would save us from any sickness, diseases, accidents and calamities etc.?
Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God!
Why is it that professing Christians suffer the same consequences like unbelievers and pagans?
Well, that was not so with the man of faith!
Regards
Paul
There are many Scripture verses about faith, we wish that they were not there, or perhaps we would like to sweep them under the carpet, so to speak, or even try to intellectually explain them away.
ReplyDeleteIf we believe that the Bible is the Word of God and that it cannot be broken, then what do you think about the challenge from the Lord Jesus.
Mark 11:22-23)
"Have faith in God. I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain,'Go throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him."
To those who celebrate the birth of our wonderful Lord and savior Jesus Christ, I wish you a merry Christmas.
Lots of love
Paul
Paul G. there is a great difference in having faith in God doing what he said he would do, and faith in God doing what we want him to do.
ReplyDeletePaul G - the hint would be in the ":)" I typed at the end of my comment. In other words, I was just having fun at the length of A.Amos' comment.
ReplyDeleteNo offense to you or A.Amos. Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year as well as you Preacherman.
Faith is the human response to God's grace in Christ. And faith is not just passive, but active. It essentially sets us on a new course, in following Jesus.
ReplyDeleteA Blessed and Merry Christmas to you and yours, Kinney!!!
laymond;
ReplyDeleteWell brother, I thought that you might give me an 'AMEN'. :-)
But since you did not!
I will give you an 'AMEN' to your comment above.
And a short question;
Which one of the two do you prefer?
cwinwc;
I know that you mean no offence.
Also, I welcome every opposing comment or idea, so that I or we would expand and increase in the knowledge of God, His Word and faith.
Ted M. Gossard;
I'm sure you could have expanded your comment a little bit more, so that I or we would have something to chew and digest with our Christmas cake. :-)
Merry Christmas
Paul
I apprecaite everyone's thought and comments on this subject. I think that there are many phases of faith. I think many believers confuse faith with always being solid, strong, undoubting, certain. Is that true faith? Do you think Abraham stratch his head when God said to leave his home, sacrifice his son, etc? Did Moses doubt God even after being in his presence on the Mountain? What about David, or the disciples of Jesus, Paul even? I think we need to understand that there are going to be times of question, stuggle, doubt. I know there are times in my life where I struggle, doubt, and even times when faith is hanging on by a thread. Yet faith that is hanging on by a thread is still faith, is it not?
ReplyDeleteI like your last comment Kinney. It reminds me that Cal Thomas said "doubt is not the same as disbelief" when he was reflecting on the doubts of Mother Teresa.
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